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TD124 escreveu:
Goansipife escreveu:
Hi Guys
What a mess of stuff
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It seems too many boxes to me. I'm a plug-and-play guy.

Me too!... i have an old Pop Corn Box with HDD inside linked in coaxial (spdif) with an Enigma Dac and no streaming, the simpliest way to listen my files and there's even a radio remote control ... simple as heaven Laughing

But it doesn't sound like Pat's complex setup of course ... that's the sad point, a bit of hell dvil

Simplicity isn't the only way ... infortunately  Mad

cheers


Hi Paulo,

The Cocktail Audio works also standalone without network and remote control. But it has a display and needs no external monitor which is kind of no-go for me personally.

Biz!

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mannitheear escreveu:
Hi Gonçalo,

my setup is not very complex, I described it in Ricardo Onkagu's thread:

Cocktail Audio X50D with internal SSD
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USB (or AES/EBU)
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Mutec MC3+ USB reclocker (the original format is preserved)
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S/PDIF (BNC)
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anTiTon Enigma hybrid DAC

Optional is the Roon Rock, it has also an internal SSD which is manually synced with the Cocktail Audio SSD. When using Roon, the Cocktail Audio acts as Roon bridge which means it's is receiving the data stream via Ethernet.

Thx Manfred

Now I'm happier. I even thought the complication was much bigger than it really is with so many boxes like Pat's set has. I wasn't realizing what was the advantage of that and I was doubtful if there was something more to figure out in the digital world to improve the music reproduction that I hadn't known yet.

So, in different paths, we have more or less the same solution, despite the Mutec MC3+ reclocker I haven't yet and ... Something to think about later.

I'm seriously investing in Digital so my questions

Thanks once more.

cheers
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Hi Gonçalo,

purpose of so many boxes is to separate the different tasks in the digital chain and put it on different machines to keep the CPU load low and maintain a steady data flow.
The tasks are for example in Pat's system

Storage -> NAS
Reading and rendering -> NUC 2
Control -> NUC 1

You could even go further and put the reading and rendering on separate machines, especially if you want to manipulate the data stream which could be a simple upsampling, or DSD conversion (some swear on that, especially when the DAC is optimized for DSD) and convolving for speaker and/or room correction or even headphone correction. Separating playback and manipulation from the rendering is what Room suggests with their topology of Server and endpoint aka bridge.

There are endless topics about that, and it's only the beginning and can get much worse...

cheers
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Hi Manfred,

Thanks once more.  Streaming para insatisfeitos - Página 4 22692 I almost might understand Pat's Digital set, but let me ask you a few questions:



  • If Pat has a NUC 2 to run the renderer and media player, whatever it is, why does he is using a NUC (NUC 1) to control? What kind of control is this? And what kind of software does he use in that control NUC 1?
  • If Roon Nucleus does the detachment of playback and manipulation from the rendering their topology of Server what can I get more with a solution like this one?


I can realize there is a range of improvements to do in this field like switchers, bridges, and so on, but I do stay confused to set in two computers (the NUCs) inducing noise. Probably (!?) I don't know!

Sorry, I know it is so many questions, but I'm trying to learn a little bit more about

Thank you very much
Gonçalo
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...The Cocktail Audio works also standalone without network and remote control. But it has a display and needs no external monitor which is kind of no-go for me personally...

For me too... that's why i've choose the PCH many years ago, he looks like a CD player and doesn't give the impression of having a computer in the system. But, i must admit that computer based streamers works very well when they're perfectly tuned as in Pat's system but also Pierre and Pierrot...

For the future i'll go for a Rasp or Tinker board ... the streamers i've made for Patrick and Yvan are Asus based and work terrific with Volumio. Personally one of the streamers i've liked the most was the Bryston (Rasp inside) and i like the idea of a versatile platform where i can change software and wardware at demand ... i've always been a Pc adept, not Mac Laughing

The running softwares (player and drivers) are as important as the hardware and with Pierrot we're working in a Linux base to stabilize some tasks (he's a specialist) during the playback! I've heard before the holidays the Volumio streamer and was impressed by the sound ... he is Tinker board based i guess Wink

There is a long way for me to understand all the subtleties of the digital files playback but i'm on the road and the heart and ears still work as expected so, time will do his job...

Biz!
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  • If Pat has a NUC 2 to run the renderer and media player, whatever it is, why does he is using a NUC (NUC 1) to control? What kind of control is this? And what kind of software does he use in that control NUC 1?

    I'm sorry, perhaps Paulo can answer thet question? I don't know the system and have no experience with remote controlling of AIMP. The playback solutions I know (Audirvana, Roon, Volumio, PiCore, Cocktail Audio...) don't need a remote PC, only an app on smartphone or tablet.


  • If Roon Nucleus does the detachment of playback and manipulation from the rendering their topology of Server what can I get more with a solution like this one?

    The idea is, that one computer (Roon server or core) does the hard work and the endpoint has nothing to do than giving the data to the desired digital output or even the DAC if it has that functionality. This results, theoretically, in a cleaner signal with less jitter.




I can realize there is a range of improvements to do in this field like switchers, bridges, and so on, but I do stay confused to set in two computers (the NUCs) inducing noise. Probably (!?) I don't know!

In my view the digital stuff (NAS, server, switch etc.) should be separated from the core music system to reduce the noise. For example with different mains power strips, mains filtering etc. As far as I know does Pat use an active mains power conditioner. Only the rendering endpoint and the DAC belongs to the main in my opinion.


Sorry, I know it is so many questions, but I'm trying to learn a little bit more about

i'm no expert in the field audiophile playback but see that there are few consenses and many different approaches.
I think, most would agree that things like clean power and low jitter are essential and that software is as important as the hardware.
Some dismiss the use of USB completely, others swear on special ethernet protocols for music streaming like Dante (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_(networking)), it's really a very broad field and I'm curious where Paulo's investigations are going!

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Hi Manfred,

Thank you very much. I really appreciated all your kindness and patience to explain me all these things too and contribute to my learning journey in the digital world.

All the best
Gonçalo

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Goansipife escreveu:
Hi Manfred,

Thank you very much. I really appreciated all your kindness and patience to explain me all these things too and contribute to my learning journey in the digital world.

All the best
Gonçalo

Poor Manfred

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