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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 13:49

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... There is no pressure at all. lol!

Well, do it better than the others its one thing..., but better than what i did some years ago i think that is possible; or i'm becoming deaf or/and hasbeen ! pale


You're lucky: Cos I'm a bit older than you, the process of becoming deaf is even more advanced.

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 13:59

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You're lucky: Cos I'm a bit older than you, the process of becoming deaf is even more advanced.



That explains a lot.

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 14:35

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You're lucky: Cos I'm a bit older than you, the process of becoming deaf is even more advanced.



That explains a lot.

Don't joke with Man, at least he is not enough deaf to have a Jelco tonearm..., cos i have two and don't listen them a lot (not at all to be exact  dvil ) cos i'm not totally deaf yet

2cclzes

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 14:38

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You're lucky: Cos I'm a bit older than you, the process of becoming deaf is even more advanced.



That explains a lot.

Don't joke with Man, at least he is not enough deaf to have a Jelco tonearm..., cos i have two and don't listen them a lot (not at all to be exact  dvil ) cos i'm not totally deaf yet

2cclzes


That explains even more, two equally deaf... smedley

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 14:49

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You're lucky: Cos I'm a bit older than you, the process of becoming deaf is even more advanced.



That explains a lot.

Don't joke with Man, at least he is not enough deaf to have a Jelco tonearm..., cos i have two and don't listen them a lot (not at all to be exact  dvil ) cos i'm not totally deaf yet

2cclzes

Actually, I don't even listen a lot to this phantastic jewel but prefer a TP-11.


Worse, a 25 $ DAC is almost enough to make me happy.

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:04

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Worse, a 25 $ DAC is almost enough to make me happy.  

I live like that actually, and its just one of the best listenings in my room for a long time..., but tomorrow my big DAC returns to his home...   and it will be

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:16

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I live like that actually, and its just one of the best listenings in my room for a long time..., but tomorrow my big DAC returns to his home...   and it will be

Is this the same like Pat's DAC?
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:28

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... Is this the same like Pat's DAC?

No, its the prototype of the big and very expensive DAC that i've done with audioaèro... but it works not at the level of Pat's one Crying or Very sad , but its better then what i have now!

That's the Audioaèro DAC, in fact its a preamp/processor/DAC... mine is the same but in a proto case!!!

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:37

Now I am curious, what's Pat's killer DAC?
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:56

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Hi Manfred and Paulo!

(...)
Ask by ask, learning…  that's me!!!

Hi José,

thanks for sharing! Nice to hear that your system brings the music to your hearts, that's fantastic.

I hope for your sake, that your learning curve is faster than mine was! Almost 35 years ago we learned from the High Ender people that Lenco is cheap crap and not good. Now, 35 years later the Anti-Lenco solved all my turntable issues!!! Funny, isn't it?

Yes, we are learning, but to take home what we want... and learned...
This kind of things we don´t find at the Library… books we can take home, reed and devolve. Now we try to listening little speakers, monitors, to experience, but it is hard… because we can´t change speakers and amplifier!!!
We have two pairs of old speakers that we really like, to have a different configuration we must change a pair… So many questions! Question
The Pioneer receiver has a very nice sound, but little speakers are hungry of power (am I incorrect?) and expansive to buy experience and… try again… Life!!! Rolling Eyes


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Worse, a 25 $ DAC is almost enough to make me happy.  

I live like that actually, and its just one of the best listenings in my room for a long time..., but tomorrow my big DAC returns to his home...   and it will be
What a precious little thing!!!
The amplifier is very nice and you say that sound even better...
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Seg Jan 25 2016, 15:58

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Now I am curious, what's Pat's killer DAC?

Its the DAC that Manfred listened in Patrick's house here in France !... on the cave... with wine and cheese Evil or Very Mad

That's the reason why we loved it so much Twisted Evil

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 08:38

Yesterday I listened to ancient music with the Tannoy and wasn't completely satisfied. Then I changed to the ProAc and got a much more precise, focussed, spacious and energetic presentation. With this kind of music it's really night and day, unbelievable.

Next I listend to this vinyl and was totally drawn in:


And for dessert the Watchmaker as FLAC:


Fantastic!

The Eden powered ProAc Tablette 8 Reference Signature are able to suspend time and space and create a kind of magic space containing only the music and the listener.
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 09:08

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Yesterday I listened to ancient music with the Tannoy and wasn't completely satisfied. Then I changed to the ProAc and got a much more precise, focussed, spacious and energetic presentation. ...

I'm listening Joseph Haydn by Quatuor mosaiques with ancient (original) instruments, and my DAC is doing a superb job with InfArno !!!... its just disturbing the finesse and cohérence of sound, specially on the Amati violin, that rises till the highs of the spectrum with energy, vibrato and near painful string force... Class !!!


PS: The DAC is fourth times bigger then the Amp... wich makes a very strange union, but it works...

cheers

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 11:20

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Yesterday I listened to ancient music with the Tannoy and wasn't completely satisfied. Then I changed to the ProAc and got a much more precise, focussed, spacious and energetic presentation. With this kind of music it's really night and day, unbelievable.

The Eden powered ProAc Tablette 8 Reference Signature are able to suspend time and space and create a kind of magic space containing only the music and the listener.

I've never heard neither the Tannoys nor the Tablette 8, but I can imagine why the small Tablette give you more enjoinment. There is something about small fast speakers that is very seductive to our hears. Fortunately my big speakers are also fast (at least to me) and because I can change their frequency response on the fly, I am fortunate to experience music from several perspectives, learning in every iteration.



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I'm listening Joseph Haydn by Quatuor mosaiques with ancient (original) instruments, and my DAC is doing a superb job with InfArno !!!... its just disturbing the finesse and cohérence of sound, specially on the Amati violin, that rises till the highs of the spectrum with energy, vibrato and near painful string force... Class !!!

PS: The DAC is fourth times bigger then the Amp... wich makes a very strange union, but it works...

Could you please tell us more about that infernal combo? I am curious about DAC's construction, mainly the power supply (supplies?).
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 11:53

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... Could you please tell us more about that infernal combo? I am curious about DAC's construction, mainly the power supply (supplies?).

I'll post something about him on the Digital section... here its not the place!

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 12:54

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I've never heard neither the Tannoys nor the Tablette 8, but I can imagine why the small Tablette give you more enjoinment. There is something about small fast speakers that is very seductive to our hears. Fortunately my big speakers are also fast (at least to me) and because I can change their frequency response on the fly, I am fortunate to experience music from several perspectives, learning in every iteration.

Which speakers do you use?
Before the Tannoy I had 2-way floorstanders which were famous for their speed and transparency. But to my surprise the Tannoys were tonally different, but only marginally worse in these aspects. I sold the old speakers, because they didn't offer anything relevant to me that the Tannoys could not do. So, my conclusion, the Tannoys are not slow per se (... a friend bought them, because it was the speakers which had the most realistic reproduction of acoustic guitar in a big Hifi shop). But the Reference 8 is - in my ears - in a different league.
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qua Jan 27 2016, 15:35

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I've never heard neither the Tannoys nor the Tablette 8, but I can imagine why the small Tablette give you more enjoinment. There is something about small fast speakers that is very seductive to our hears. Fortunately my big speakers are also fast (at least to me) and because I can change their frequency response on the fly, I am fortunate to experience music from several perspectives, learning in every iteration.

Which speakers do you use?
Before the Tannoy I had 2-way floorstanders which were famous for their speed and transparency. But to my surprise the Tannoys were tonally different, but only marginally worse in these aspects. I sold the old speakers, because they didn't offer anything relevant to me that the Tannoys could not do. So, my conclusion, the Tannoys are not slow per se (... a friend bought them, because it was the speakers which had the most realistic reproduction of acoustic guitar in a big Hifi shop). But the Reference 8 is - in my ears - in a different league.

I'm using B&W 803N, which can sound slow without the proper juice. In fact, the first time I've listen the speakers with a Mcintosh integrated, I had the feeling the speaker could sound better, in particular faster. The room was a part of the problem, but I think the amplification was boring as well. Now, at least for my ears, the sound is now fast and articulate. Better marriage and at a lower price!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Qui Jan 28 2016, 19:53

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I'm listening Joseph Haydn by Quatuor mosaiques with ancient (original) instruments, and my DAC is doing a superb job with InfArno !!!... its just disturbing the finesse and cohérence of sound, specially on the Amati violin, that rises till the highs of the spectrum with energy, vibrato and near painful string force... Class !!!


PS: The DAC is fourth times bigger then the Amp... wich makes a very strange union, but it works...

cheers

Oh my god, what a spectacular recording and masterful interpretation!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Sex Jan 29 2016, 08:33

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Oh my god, what a spectacular recording and masterful interpretation!

Yes indeed, and a very difficult test for systems, cos the timbre is hard to reproduce without harshness !!!

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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Sex Jan 29 2016, 08:45

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Yes indeed, and a very difficult test for systems, cos the timbre is hard to reproduce without harshness !!!

cheers

The current system (Rasperry Pi / Mini Olympic DAC / Eden / Tablette 8 Ref. Sog,) passed the task easily and I would even say that I would prefer the reproduction of such a refined recording to a live event on a suboptimal place. It was like sitting 1st row center and simply heaven. sunny
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Sex Jan 29 2016, 09:40

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The current system (Rasperry Pi / Mini Olympic DAC / Eden / Tablette 8 Ref. Sog,) passed the task easily and I would even say that I would prefer the reproduction of such a refined recording to a live event on a suboptimal place. It was like sitting 1st row center and simply heaven. sunny

Glad that you're enjoying my ancient music on the DD. You have some recordings as Leçons des ténèbres from Charpentier and Couperin that are heaven on earth, specially the version of François Couperin by Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr !!!... give them a listening its just marvelous, and very very difficult to reproduce. Les leçons des ténèbres from Charpentier, its the ancient music that youve listened in Pat's home!...



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MensagemAssunto: Re: EDEN True Hybrid integrated amplifier   Dom Jan 31 2016, 00:06

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Glad that you're enjoying my ancient music on the DD. You have some recordings as Leçons des ténèbres from Charpentier and Couperin that are heaven on earth, specially the version of François Couperin by Les Demoiselles de Saint Cyr !!!... give them a listening its just marvelous, and very very difficult to reproduce. Les leçons des ténèbres from Charpentier, its the ancient music that youve listened in Pat's home!...



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Oh yes, these two are fantastic, too. Love this music very much!
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